Posted by: Die Hard Lovell Fan on January 27, 2008 1:26PM EST Cody walked all over Lovell. Sad situation. Three seniors have quit this team already & the remainder are only there waiting for permission from their parents to walk. Seems nothing is good enough for the coach. Cusses at and treats the kids like crap. This is the most talented Lovell squad yet. Hope the coach gets his head out before he has an all freshman squad!

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on January 27, 2008 7:04PM EST Die Hard - Are you the parent of one of the seniors that quit, of a player on the team, or really just a fan?

Posted by: Steve on January 27, 2008 9:07PM EST I enjoyed Natrona's visit here in Billings. Natrona is a quality team. The guards had a tough time with West's pressure and quickness. It totally took them out of their normal game. It was obvious they had not been pushed like this before. A rematch would be interesting to see how each team would adjust. Best of luck ot the Mustangs and thanks for rescheduling the games.

Posted by: loaderman972g on January 27, 2008 9:19PM EST Dont know about Die Hard but I am a parent of one of the remaining boys on this team. I can confirm what he is saying. Complaining when you are a parent falls on deaf ears. These boys have come as far as they have in 3A on pure talent. It is a shame how the Head coach treats them. He calls them fuc__rs and tell them they play like shi_. With a little encouragement & praise, they could go all the way. My prediction is they wont because by tournament time they are all so mad and beaten down by him that they dont care about basketball anymore. We were hoping that this year would be different but small town politics rule!

Posted by: Lovell community member on January 28, 2008 12:53PM EST Yes, coaches have expectations. Look at the Lovell football program. There was no expectations there. Those athletes could do as they please. I had a boy in the football program. I see the same thing happening with the basketball program. We complain, but to all the wrong people.

Posted by: bobcat fan on January 28, 2008 4:20PM EST I am sorry to hear of the problems in Lovell. Even though my son has competed against them for what seems like forever (cause they have beat us so much) i like those kids they are competitive and generaly good sports. I wish them well and hope things get better.

Posted by: HS Parent on January 28, 2008 4:21PM EST I am a parent that went through something very similar a few years back. It is very painful, and I am not sure what the best remedy is. We want there to be expectation and accountability, but sometimes they are applied in ways that are counter to what our communities want. Sounds like there needs to be a come to Jesus with players, parents, coaches, and administration. Not sure which two groups should begin. Hopefully the coaches and admin are aware there is a problem. That would be a shame if they aren't.

Posted by: Cory on January 29, 2008 1:51AM EST this is a shame in Lovell. I hope it works out best for the kids involved and the future. 2A state basketball (since they moved to 3A) was going to be be odd without them before this came to light. Both programs have been such a fixture at the small school weekend over the years.

Posted by: tiffersh05 on January 29, 2008 11:08AM EST Obviously none of you posting these comments really knows anything about the coach. Being as the coach makes the team run for swearing I have a hard time believing he would call anyone on that team any of the names you are accusing him of. Maybe if the boys on that team had a little respect for their teachers and their coaches there wouldn't be a problem. Sounds to me the problem is the players, not the coach.

Posted by: hitman on January 29, 2008 11:35AM EST URL: http://yahoo.com I have heard over the years that Lovell has always had some of the best athletics, but there was never any disipline....sounds like this could be some of the same old same old with both coaches and players.

Posted by: Lovell Community member on January 29, 2008 1:15PM EST Wyoming has a hiring problem. So when an opening comes to light, there is only a few applicants for a position. We are picking the best person from a group of 3-5 instead of 20-25 for an opening. So, we aren't always getting the best man for the job. So, is the Lovell Coach the best man for the job? Next, we have athletes that think it is all about them. Lovell has been kind to a lot of its seniors. When these seniors were not the cream of the crop, they were allowed to stay. At any top 4A, the dead weight would be cut. So why not cut those seniors before the season even started, this wouldn't be an issue.

Posted by: Bulldog Dad on January 29, 2008 1:22PM EST Been watching and reading with interest everyone's comments. As a parent I think there is enough blame in this problem for everyone to share equally; players, parents, coaches, administrators, board members and community members. What we need to do is get past the blame game and figure out a workable solution to this situation. Will administrators sit down with the coaches and players and find a common ground so they can work together for a common cause, or will we ignore the problem and let the season finish as is. For the kids sake I hope the ship is righted and quickly!!!!!

Posted by: HS Parent on January 29, 2008 2:57PM EST tiffersh05 - Please reread my comments above. I certainly wasn't taking a side on the issue. I stated that I thought it was time for the parties to get together and come to a workable solution. I didn't mean to imply that one party was more wrong. I do know what it is like to be on the parent side, coaches side, and the administrators side. However, in this case I am only an observer.

Posted by: Mike on January 29, 2008 3:03PM EST Kids respond to how they are treated. Discipline can only come with Respect.

Posted by: John on January 29, 2008 3:38PM EST "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." Michael Jordan

Posted by: bobcat fan on January 29, 2008 4:12PM EST "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard" Kevin Durant any others?

Posted by: Mike on January 29, 2008 6:43PM EST When you are 17 and beat down by an adult, there is no motivation for hard work. This guy was coach of the year for the last two years. Who wants to give that to him again?

Posted by: wyofloater on January 29, 2008 7:30PM EST For those of us that are not as close to the program, what has changed other than the class? How long has this coach been at Lovell? If he's been there for several years, it seems strange that this situation has suddenly developed.

Posted by: Lovell Fan on January 29, 2008 9:37PM EST This coach has been here for four years. When you have a bunch of talented athletes, they can make a bad/good coach look good. As for what has change in the coach or the last couple of years. Nothing!! This coach has been like this from the start. I think this coach has some problems communicating to his athletes. I think a good dose of Prozac would fix the situation.

Posted by: Anonymous on January 30, 2008 1:49AM EST As a former player for coach K i felt compelled to comment on this issue. Coaches are not meant to be your best freind and if you cannot take yelling and what not you shouldt be an athlete, its his coaching style!

Posted by: Lovell Fan on January 30, 2008 9:23AM EST Anonymous' comment says it all! If your coaching style is to "yell and what not", then maybe THAT is the problem! Lovell boys: dont stoop to his level. Play your game and have fun despite him!

Posted by: Another Lovell Fan on January 30, 2008 9:31AM EST NO ONE should have to put up with what these kids (and kids before them) are putting up with. Becoming an athlete does not mean giving up your right to be treated as a human. These boys practice and work hard to win. Imus was fired for much less than what this coach is doing. We should treasure our children, but I guess in Wyoming it is ok to call them Fu@#ers!

Posted by: ??? on January 30, 2008 11:16AM EST First of all, let me say that I do not agree with a coach cursing at a kid for any reason. There are words in the English language that you can use to get any point across without cursing at a kid. Second of all, I have found in my coaching, and I used to be a yeller, that kids respond about 100x better if you explain in at least a semi-rational way what it is they did wrong or what you want them to do. However, on the flip side, kids can not take a butt chewing even close to what they used too. This group of teens that we are working with today is the feel good genereation. No matter how bad I am at something, it is the coaches job to make them feel good. That is crap! How about we are honest with each other, how about a kid go out and work hard to improve their skills. And the majority of parents feed the beast on this. They expect wins, but they also expect coaches to do it playing their little Johnny, even if Johnny can't score if he's the only one in the gym. This is a two way street, but traffic is only going one way most of the time. Should this coach get to work with young men, the way it sounds, probably not.

Posted by: Lovell Parent & Fan on January 30, 2008 12:33PM EST Let’s try something new here. There is obviously a problem. What is the solution? Administrators: Pay attention to how the Coach treats his players. If he is out of line, take action. Coach: Your players have attitudes because of the way they are being talked to. You have an attitude because of their’ attitudes. Be the adult. Treat them with respect and hard work will follow. This is your life’s work but it is still a game to them. Let them enjoy it. Players: Start over. Represent your school to the best of your ability. Leave the attitude at the door and play your hardest. Have fun and ignore everything else. Parents: Support your children but look at both sides. Stand up for your kids but realize that the kids are part of them problem too. Community Members: Stay out of it. You are stirring the pot!

Posted by: ??? on January 30, 2008 1:00PM EST Lovell Parent & Fan: Great Points...very well said.

Posted by: Willie Allison on January 30, 2008 3:05PM EST URL: http://my.trib.com/post/app/modules/postcomment.aspx?e={DCFDEBC4-B77E-4607-B1A7-2D59769AD6A5} First of all, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You wonder why the kids dont have any dicipline; Because you cant talk to them or they will quit. Basketball teaches you about life as well. What are these kids gonna do when their boss yells at them? Quit and move in with there parents? This is assanine. The parents that have been commenting on this page should learn how to raise their kids so they arent a bunch of wimps. This coach has been here for four years and now this problem comes up. Sounds to me like this group is spoiled and undisciplined. They work hard to win but the second something goes wrong they wont listen to anybody which will just hurt the whole program. I guess if these kids cant handle being cursed at then they made the right choice to do something else in the winter.

Posted by: Bulldog Dad on January 30, 2008 3:32PM EST Cursing is OK and something that we all should learn to live with and tolerate???????? Are you kidding me Willie????

Posted by: BNB on January 30, 2008 3:53PM EST Lovell players and fans. Sorry to hear about your problems. What few times I have been to Lovell it seems like you have a great community that has a lot of pride and support for its teams. Being from Lyman and having a son play against you for the last couple of years I am sad to hear what you are going thru. We enjoyed our games against what I considered a great group of athletes and what seemed like a decent coach. Just a few comments. Foul language is uncalled for, and inappropriate in pretty much any setting, however: if it is being used to degrade or cut down a player it becomes a much bigger problem and is totally unacceptable at any time. The problem is that if a coach is degrading them by language that is often the tip of the ice berg. Often the degrading things said without foul language are often more cutting and hurtfull than the language. Hopefully you just have a language problem because that is much easier to deal with. Good luck on getting things worked out, and we'll see you down here this weekend.

Posted by: Coach G on January 30, 2008 3:55PM EST URL: http://yahoo.com As a coach I do not know what the situation in Lovell, but if the coach is calling the athletes Fu@#ers! why haven't the administrators and parents done something before this?Hey I am no saint on the sidelines, and can rip a kid with the best, but call them Fu@#ers! Sorry the guy needs to be out of coaching if this is the case.

Posted by: Willie Allison on January 30, 2008 4:41PM EST Bulldog Dad who do you think you are. Your lovell team is a bunch of D- Bags and should go down to 2a Basketball (but probably 1a). Wheatland is the only contender and they will win state. The only good Bulldogs in this state!!!

Posted by: BULLDOG on January 30, 2008 5:08PM EST This conversation has gone far enough..... 1st unless someone was in the locker room or at practice and heard the coach call the player F*****s then don't get on the internet and spread rumors. This isn't middle school. Coach K is a great coach and more importantly a great person. He would never say that to his players. And to Mr. Willie, DO NOT call another team a bunch of D-bags!! Where is your sportsmanship? I think we all need to grow up here and stop spreading rumors.

Posted by: Lovell Player on January 30, 2008 6:15PM EST I WAS in the locker room and he DID call us fuckers & told us we sucked. This was when we were undefeated!

Posted by: ex lovell player on January 30, 2008 6:38PM EST All you fake people on here who are talkin about how our coach isnt that bad... maybe take our input and wake up and realize he was the worst coach in the state even with his 2 coach of the years.... we got him there not him and his ridiculous mouth you people listen to us now its our turn... Willie you keep tellin yourself all you want because this team is the best team in the state in 3A....the cody game was a fluke ( montana Ref's) The coach of the lovell bulldogs should be gone for good!

Posted by: Mike Walk on January 30, 2008 7:03PM EST I've been sitting here reading all of the comments about the Lovell program and as a former coach it's sad to me. I guess as a former coach I'm inclined to give the coach the benefit of the doubt. I see people that are familiar with the program defending both sides. I have trouble believing that a coach using language like that just starts out of the blue. I have trouble believing it just becomes an issue this year. Why havn't we heard about this until this year. A coach doesn't just start doing this out of the blue.

Posted by: wyofloater on January 30, 2008 7:13PM EST Lovell players (current & former): Do you see the coach's language as being the main problem with his "stlye"?

Posted by: ex Lovell player on January 30, 2008 7:47PM EST Mike it has gone on for long enough and losing 3 seniors is big. isnt it as a former coach? the language is not why i quit but im backing up my best friends he doesnt deserve to coach these good of players and team and treat them like that. WyoFloater this man has one of the worst styles of coaching have you ever seen a coach yell at the bench if he is mad at the kids playing and the kids on a bench hardley get to play? No because his style is not what it should be to coach my friends (me) the great team lovell is! thats what you people arent seeing.

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on January 30, 2008 10:50PM EST WOW - I wonder where Mr. Willie is from. Has he looked at the box scores lately? I believe his favorite Bulldogs just got beat this weekend. Hmmmm - That would be twice this year. - Patrick - I am surprised that you have allowed this site to turn into this crap! Some of us have enjoyed coming to goulash to read about the good things that are happening in HS sports. If I want to read gossip, I will buy the National Enquirer.

Posted by: Chris Gray on January 30, 2008 11:44PM EST Wow! You said it Clarkey baby! On a lighter note-did you guys see that the Cowgirls lost by a stinking point?!? Dang!! As long as it took just to get to 15th, they will probably now drop totally off the national radar!! Oh yeah, Lovell kids- buck up & use the coaches comments as motivation! Don't let him control your destiny & turn you into quitters!! Show him wrong, that you can play & rise above it! Go Dogies!!

Posted by: lovell fan & player on January 31, 2008 12:40AM EST Ok Mr. Willie you dont call a team you have never played before D-bags! That is not very good sportsmanship! why do you want us to drop back down to 2A and even 1A? Are you afraid that when we meet if you make it! That we will put a wooping on you? Yes i do know the coach cusses at his players! I have heard it! Lovell players dont let Coach K ruin the year just get out and play and leave it all on the court, just use our talent to the best of our ability! No the admin. isn't going to do anything! they haven't done anything for the past three years why would they now? He may have 2 coach of the year awards but the players earned it for him! his style? what style? he yells at the players on the bench! why they didn't do anything! TELL the players that are playing, and not by cussing at them! Have you ever on the work force, been over a group of men, treat them right, and they'll repay you for it! treat them bad they wont want to do anything!

Posted by: Patrick Schmiedt on January 31, 2008 12:47AM EST Remember my spiel about personal responsibility with commenting? Some of you have practiced it, and I really appreciate it. Some of you haven't, and your continued abuse of this privelege could lead to repercussions outside of my control. This is not a threat, it's a warning. Thanks. --patrick

Posted by: Hitman on January 31, 2008 10:02AM EST URL: http://yahoo.com Not to change the subject but i see where another lovell coach is up an sexual abuse charges, their football coach, what is up in the community?

Posted by: ex Lovell player on January 31, 2008 11:09AM EST This is about basketball Hitman dont bring up other issues and something you know nothing about. . . stick to what everyone else is talking about.

Posted by: dawgfan on January 31, 2008 11:30AM EST HS Sports Fan we all know where Mr. Willie is from and that is not a bad thing. Anyway I look at the box scores and see that his favorite Bulldogs have not padded their record by playing 2A or 1a schools like the Bulldogs from Lovell have. Lovell fan & player - it is not a question if the Bulldogs from Wheatland make it, you have to get things straightened out or they will not be able to open a can of WA on you in Casper in March.

Posted by: birddog on January 31, 2008 12:15PM EST Mike, you should know all about using abusive language, that was your style and one of the reason you are an ex-coach.

Posted by: BULLDOG Fan 4 Life on January 31, 2008 12:17PM EST dawgfan, I hate hearing that Lovell has 'padded their record by playing 2A or 1A school' That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Being this is Lovell's first year in 3A since 1991, it is hard to fill your schedule with all 3A games. 3 of the 4 2A games Lovell played this season were in the pre-season Tournament in Thermopolis. Against 3 of the top ranked 2A teams. Can't wait until March to watch Lovell play in Casper. GO LOVELL!!

Posted by: Lacidar on January 31, 2008 12:50PM EST As a coach, I can attest that emotions sometimes get the best of you and things are said. However, dropping an F-bomb, let alone calling your players names is not acceptable. I have cursed during my career, but it is very few and far between. I am not proud of it, but the intensity and emotion that a coach feels sometimes gets the best of us. Thankfully the F-word is not part of my vocabulary. And name calling is just childish. With that said, I imagine that this series of events has blame on all sides. Sounds like the coach needs to evaluate himself. Sounds like the administration needs to evaluate the coach and the situation (which is probably happening whether you know it or not). And it sounds as if the players and their parents need to so some reflecting of their own. It does seem odd that it has just come to light now, when the guy has been there for 4 years. Obviously it wasn't a huge problem in the past, or it would have been taken care of. If it has been happening in the past, then why did these kids put themselves in this situation. They knew what to expect. They couldn't possibly think that the coach would turn into a totally different person when the season started. Then again, maybe the players in the past were a bit more thick skinned and could take it. A good high school coach knows his players and treats them accordingly. You never coddle them, but you must treat them in a manner to get the best out of them. Kids do not come from a cookie cutter, they need to be treated as individuals. On the flip side, kids have to realize that a coach has a personality that they may have to adjust to. There is middle ground that can make everyone successful.

Posted by: ex lovell player on January 31, 2008 2:32PM EST Lacider i played this year his coaching style got old and the way he treats the kids get old and its because were no in his little boys grade as he was last year....our class does not kiss his ass like he wants us to nor the under class men....just because we arent like last years lovell bulldogs.... his style is not classy at all... the crowd cant even beleive how he acts on the sideline.

Posted by: Jake on January 31, 2008 2:38PM EST That is a sad situation at Lovell. Who were the seniors that quit. I thought that the last time I saw them play they seemed down but that was after a holiday break. They have had talent in the past few years but never quite got to the top. The girls coach, Bob Geiser is a class act. Too bad he couldn't lead the boys to the same success as he has the girls.

Posted by: HS Ball Fan on January 31, 2008 3:04PM EST We played lovell, and their coach wouldn't even shake our coaches hand or talk to him before or after the game. Sportsmanship?

Posted by: Lacidar on January 31, 2008 3:18PM EST "ex lovell player" you are obviously too emotional and close to the situation to look at it rationally or objectively (which is completely understandable). It's just hard to believe that this coach's behavior just appeared this season. I'm not defending him. If he is doing wrong then he should be removed. But to make the correct decision about the situation, emotion and feelings have to be removed. Remember what one person sees as "bad" and inneffective, another may see as appropriate and correct. While I was in high school, I had coaches that hollered and screamed and berated and cussed (yes even the F-word). I also had other coaches that did not. One of my "hollering" coaches had a son on the team (my age) and we were actually an overachieving squad. For two seasons of football we lost 1 game and gave up only 8 total points (our loss was 8-6 to a bigger school). The coach screamed the whole time. But we didn't take offense to it. I played probably 10 minutes of game time in those two seasons, but never considered quitting. We as a team were mentally tough and strong enough to realize the goal at the end was worth more than the coaches antics. We were willing to sacrifice and put up with almost anything. We understood, right or wrong, that the coach was emotional and intense, and sometimes unethical. But we all had one goal in mind...winning. Some people can handle that kind of pressure and some can't. It's just hard to realize that some kids are giving up the chance to be a part of a potential state championship because of the alleged immature antics of a coach. Of course I know nothing more than what I have read, so maybe it is that bad...I don't know. By the way, were any of the kids who quit starters or key contributors?

Posted by: LOVELLITE on January 31, 2008 3:51PM EST I think there is a problem on this team. I think that kids need to suck it up and play ball. If the coach yells at you once your crying and saying the coach is mean or sucks. You don't have any idea what a yelling coach is like. For the three Seniors that quit maybe you needed to be cut at the start of the year. I bet the three Seniors are kicking their selves for quitting. I know of some other coaches that coach Lovell High School sports that cuss and use the f word but nothing is brought up about them. The coach said a bad word once and you are all over him. It's not like any of you don't say that word. I can read your lips when you are out on the court playing and the f word has came out of a lot of your mouths. But it's o.k. for you kids to do it. Kids always blame the coach for everything, so you better blame the coach for being coach of the year for 2 years in a row. Also, where is that Senior leadership that every team should have. Are they all quitters or are they going to ball up and talk to the coach and get things squared away. The dogs have a very good chance of winning State in 3A this year if they get things worked out. I hope things go well and Good Luck!!!!

Posted by: Lovell on January 31, 2008 3:55PM EST 3 Seniors have quit the team. One quit to concentrate on Track. The other 2 quit because they felt they should start and play just because they are 'big bad seniors.' But 2 junior guards who start ahead of them are clearly better basketball players.

Posted by: Lovell Parent on January 31, 2008 4:05PM EST I think there is a bigger problem with why these Seniors have an attitude problem. I am sick of rumors being passes around on this page....But I've noticed someone of the players seem to be extremely out of shape. But my son says they condition at practice and the seniors can't keep up.....

Posted by: ex lovell player (senior) on January 31, 2008 4:10PM EST for all you high school heros who are backing up your daddy....your coach you kissed ass for... dont realize what really goes on all you know is that your backing up the coach of the year for 2 years and who didnt deserve it. you choked in your years at getting your state title and you are finally getting the truth out of us because you guys werent willing to step up and let the rest of the state know how he coaches and treats his players.... if he would have shown respect maybe we would have stayed and played but we had other things to do than be treated like shi*... he is a poor sport in exactly the way HS BALL FAN put it... maybe the administration will do something about my friends and fellow classmates playing under him.

Posted by: Lovell Fan on January 31, 2008 4:19PM EST "Lovell"- Yes, 3 seniors did quit the team...2 of those seniors are both running track. All 3 of them were good players and deserved more playing time than they got! They didn't expect to be starting...but they all deserved more playing time. As for the 2 guards...I don't think they proved themselves in the Cody game. Not necessarily because they aren't good players...but I think all the players are down on themselves because of the coach! True...most coaches probably do cuss at their players...but I think it's wrong to use foul language to put them down...individually or as a team. To tell them that they suck and are playing like sh*t...when they came out and won the game...and every game before that...I think is wrong. As a spectator I do notice that the coach yells at the bench continually! He does it now...and he has in the past! Why should he be yelling at the bench when they aren't out on the court! I personally think his style of coaching isn't the greatest! But...with all of this...I think our team is still capable of going to State, and possibly winning! Just keep your heads up, and do it for yourselves...forget the coach!

Posted by: ex lovell player on January 31, 2008 4:20PM EST we couldnt show leader ship because he was always scremaing no matter what one of the senoirs started lacider the other two hardly played Lovell parent maybe your son kisses ass we could keep up and i know two of the seniors who could run them in the dirt but even if they did work hard in practice he wouldnt give them an opurtunity in the game LOVELL i love the two gaurds who start there some of my best friend i could have cared less who started.... just give the other players a chance....and not only one quit to concentrate on track, get your facts strait. IF YOU WOULD ALL READ WHERE ONE OF THE PLAYERS FOT ON HERE LEFT A COMMENT AND REALLY PUT WHAT THIS COACH SAID TO HIM SO BEFORE YOU BAG ON THESE 3 SENIORS.... READ THE FACTS PLAESE..

Posted by: Lovell fan and parent on January 31, 2008 7:11PM EST He is really as bad as everyone says. He has lied to us as well. He thinks his freshmen are everything. Wait till they play for him for one year.

Posted by: JA on January 31, 2008 7:27PM EST Ex Lovell Player, I think its about time you took a little break from this site. The more you talk on this thing and defend yourself the uglier this situations gonna get. I understand your frustration, as I went through an eerily similar situation in high school with our basketball coach. I feel for you and all the kids on the team, as it is an extremely hard to go through something like this. I just wish you and the rest of the Lovell faithful would pipe down, and let this situation work itself out. As bad as you feel the need to defend yourself and your teammates, its better to let it go. You are on a message board for God's sake!!! I would've been extremely embarassed as player and community member if our situation was brought to the state spotlight, for everyone to pass judgement and speculate on what actually happened. This situation is in serious need of some mediation. My advice would be what another poster said above. Have the team, coach, AD, and another administrator(with no ties to kids on the team or coach) have a sit down in which all issues are brought to the fore front. Let the administrator and AD sit down and discuss the situation and see what if anything needs to happen.

Posted by: Lovell Fan on January 31, 2008 7:50PM EST I think "ex Lovell player" has a reason to be upset! Most of these kids have had to put up with this coach for four years...

Posted by: Patrick Schmiedt on January 31, 2008 8:22PM EST JA, beautifully put. Being upset is one thing. Being spiteful is another. This is not a situation that will resolve itself on Sports Goulash. I'd recommend, rather than anonymously bashing on someone who is not anonymous, to take it up with a principal or other school administrator. They can do much more than anyone here can. Venting here might make you feel better, but in the long run it does little to actually rectify any problems. --patrick

Posted by: Upset Parent on January 31, 2008 8:33PM EST Patrick. You are correct. The problem is that it has been brought to the AD and Superintendent's attention for three years. No one will step up and do anything. This blog seems to be the way those that are supposed to be silent have chosen to vent. A few are out of control and need to back off, but overall I say let them vent. This blog has made its way to the Coach, AD & Superintendent. Maybe now they will do something since their inaction has embarrassed them.

Posted by: JA on January 31, 2008 9:27PM EST Does Lovell not have a local paper in which you all can write and express your frustrations? Like Patrick said you are all speaking through anonymous names. Imagine if each and everyone of you who are bringing you gripe here, wrote a letter to the editor of the Lovell Chronicle. That would be a pretty big statement in its self. Or you could buck up, fill out a petition, show up to the school board meeting, and demand change. The members of the school board are publicly elected officials, and it is their duty to listen to their constituents. If they can't make a change, then make a change the next time they are up for re-election.

Posted by: Spectator on January 31, 2008 10:36PM EST I have just one thing to say. I played varisty basketball in high school and college ball. Just because you are a senior doesn't mean you deserve to play. Being in the best in your sport means you deserve to play. I think Coach K should have done these senior a favor and just cut these kids. Any other coach would have.

Posted by: HS Parent on February 1, 2008 12:35AM EST Bulldog Fan 4 Life - I believe the schedules are done over a year in advance of the season beginning (Nov 07 - schedules for 08-09 are put together.) When the state goes through reclassification - all teams know well in advance of that. So to say Lovell didn't have time to schedule more 3A schools is not accurate. I doubt that Lovell padded their schedule with 1A and 2A games but the fact is they have played down much more often than most other 3A schools. I believe Newcastle & Glenrock may have almost as many or more 2A schools on their schedules. Some of the SW 3A schools may play some 2A. It doesn't look like Wheatland, Buffalo, Douglas, Torrington, Cody, Powell, Jackson play any. When considering who to cast your votes for in the rankings, you have to consider the schedule don't you?

Posted by: Hitman on February 1, 2008 8:55AM EST URL: http://Yahoo.com Ex lovell player....I was just asking a question about the situation with he football coach, didn't claim to know what is going on..hey i just read the article in the CS so cool your jets.

Posted by: Willie Allison on February 1, 2008 12:25PM EST HS Sports Fan your talking about our loss to Lander. But, you didn't know that Lander shot an amazing 68% from the field and we still shot a good 57%. We played great but Lander just couldn't miss. Tony Redman Shot 7 of 8 in the First Quarter. So don't tell me that when you lost to CODY. And Good luck at state cause your gonna need it.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 1, 2008 2:04PM EST Birddog, People like you amaze me. You make a statement like that and don't even have the guts to put your name on it. I'm not going to pretend that I didn't cuss at times but I never did anything to intentionally degrade kids and I challenge you to find one that would face me and say that I did. You see that's the funny thing is people will make statements like the one you made but they don't want to say it to your face so you can have a chance to defend yourself. I remember my first year as an assistant coach a kid said I called him fat, which was a total lie, when asked to meet with me and tell me what exactly I had said the story changed to I made him feel like he was fat. I was still concerned about that because if I was making him feel bad about himself I wanted to know how so I could change it. He couldn't give any specific examples. Now I'm not condoning anything the coach is supposedly doing in Lovell. If it's true he should be gone, but the kids, the AD, and the coach need to get together in a meeting and have them confront him to his face. Then the truth will come out one way or another. As for your feelings about me, all I can say is I dedicated my life to building that football program in Lyman. I sacrificed time with my family, my career, and in nearly every other aspect of my life. I'm sorry but the coaches they have in that district now (other than Louis Kennedy) are not willing to do the same and the results will show. If I did anything to hurt anyones feelings with things I might have said then I apologize and I would invite you to come and talk to me about it. I'm sure some players that played for me don't like me and I guess that goes with the territory but I think it's funny that the ones that worked hard and were successful are still good friends and so are their families. Ask the Tyler Ashtons, Verlon Lees, Tyson Wakleys, Louis Isoms, Alex Johnsons, Bradley Toomers, Casey Reis and many more what they think.

Posted by: Birddog on February 1, 2008 3:24PM EST I'm sorry, I'm just having trouble getting over your statement. I can't help but wonder if you're a Lyman parent. I think it's funny how some of the people there are. I keep hearing all this bad mouthing and backstabbing of Milo Walker now from the parents. Now I'm no defender of Milo, he knows that I don't like him and I know he doesn't like me. Now that's the difference. I don't try to hide it and neither does he. I think he gets a pass to act like a jerk when he coaches because of his positions in the community. I watch the way he wines at the reffs and it amazes me. I always say Lyman never lost a game the refs didn't cost them. The difference is we don't try to act like we're friends. I've heard many Lyman fans and parents bad mouth him but when I see them talking to him it's a totally different attitude. Now even though I don't like the guy, I do believe he cares about kids and usually has their best interests at heart.....hey the guy won Lyman's first state title since 1979....you can never take that away from him or those kids. I here the complaints and watch the kids try to rebel against what he does and I don't see him at fault. I think you go through groups of kids that don't want to buy into your system and of course the coaches always get the blame. If you start supporting him and what he's doing you would see how quick it all turns around. I agree that Kevin Louick in Mt. View is a far superior coach when it comes to X's and O's, but Milo has always been able to get kids to play hard for him along with Coach Toomer, who I have a ton of respect for. I know there were alot of Coaches that were superior to me in areas. My point is that we all have our strengths, and if you'll buy in you can be part of the fix instead of the problem. If you're constantly tearing your coach down I promise no will have success. Lou Holtz said if you want to be successful all you have to do is make as many people around you successful as you possibly can. Maybe this would be good advice in Lovell as well.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 1, 2008 3:32PM EST Sorry....that last statement was posted by me as well. I accidently put Birddog because that's who I was addressing it too.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 1, 2008 5:59PM EST Hey Lovellite, I read your comment above and I think you are on the money. It sounds like you played back when discipline wasn't a dirty word. Are you from Lovell? In my ten years coaching football in Lyman we played Lovell twice and won easily both times, once in the state semi's when we won 47-7. I was always amazed at how athletic they were.....every year, but no disrespect intended here they were always undisciplined. Even though they looked like they always outgunned us on film we knew we would win. I just have to wonder if this situation is more of the same. I remember when we beat them up there in the semi's the coach, I think Strom was his name had to be escorted from the field. He spent the whole game complaining about the refs instead of coaching his kids.

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on February 2, 2008 3:54AM EST Willie - You must have me confused with someone else! I am not from Lovell and have never watched Lovell play basketball. Was Friday night 3 in a row for you guys? OUCH.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 2, 2008 11:56AM EST Well now that I know people in Lyman are reading this I guess I need to come on and post another entry. I just got a call from a good friend of mine in Lyman and he told me that last night at the game with Worland one of the Lyman parents came up to him to tell them that he had heard I really blasted Milo Walker on here last night. I'm sorry but as you can clearly see above I wasn't blasting him I was defending him. I defended him as a coach, I only said I personally "DON'T LIKE HIM." I gave him credit as a coach for getting his kids to play hard, and for winning Lyman's first state title since 1979. They have always won a lot of games under him. I was blasting the Lyman parents and fans that constantly gripe about him. Supposedly one lady in Lyman (I know her name, but I won't give it here) told a parent that I had really blasted Coach Walker on here. My friend actually printed this page to show it to the parent, so thanks BNB. You see this is what I see as part of the problem in Lyman....spreading of misinformation. Let me state my view again (although I really don't know why this matters), I personally don't like Milo, but I give him credit for winning. I'll state "AGAIN," if the parents and players will quit badmouthing him and trying to rebel against what he believes in, the success will come. Oh, and to the lady that was telling people I slammed him on here, (and I hope your reading this) if you've got a problem with what I said come on here and tell me what it is. (and I challenge you to use your name) Don't go out and badmouth me to everyone else. I put my name on this and I defend what I said openly. Have the guts to do the same.

Posted by: ValleyBoy on February 2, 2008 11:17PM EST URL: http://yahoo.com mike that is the one thing i will say about you are willing to state your opion and sign your name i have to agree about what you say about lyman parents and coaches, i know when your were coaching people on your staff were back stabing you. keep given them hell.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 3, 2008 12:17AM EST Thanks Valleyboy

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 3, 2008 10:55PM EST I guess I should clarify a couple of comments I made above. When I said only one coach in Lyman dedicates like they should, I was only talking about head coaches. There are some assistants (girls basketball) and volunteers (footall) that donate a lot of time opening the weight room and gym. Unfortunately in Lyman it's become necessary to get an ok from the janitors to let kids in the gym. Even when I was coaching it was a constant fight and the administrators would rather back down than make waves. Unfortunately it's the kids that suffer. Oh, bring back the days of Larry Bergeson when the athletic facilities were there for the kids to use.

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on February 4, 2008 12:16AM EST Mike - Lyman isn't the only community that seems to have built the facilities for the employees. We really need to remember that schools were built for the students, and that is who we should accomodate. I have heard a story, not sure it is true, that in Custer SD the gym is unlocked for the students to use. Not sure what the procedures are there for using the facility, but over the years that has been one of the most successful programs in SD. We do have to consider liability issues, but there needs to be a happy medium in it.

Posted by: roundballhead on February 4, 2008 11:37AM EST It seems to me that it does not matter if you are in Lovell or Lyman or anyschool Wyoming or USA. If bad sportsmanship persists in a community it will seep out in one way or another. Remember...your children are watching, and learning, from you. If parents/fans/players are upset about coaches/fans/administration/players. Then it is the responsibility of the reponsible to step up and change things...all respect due to Patrick and the Sports G but this is not the place to air the dirty laundry.

Posted by: 3A East Fan on February 4, 2008 1:25PM EST As far as Lovell's coach treatment, it is a shame. The coaches attitude towards the players shows on the court with the lovell players. They have horrible sportsmanship and need to be taught better than to mouth off to other players and team up and talk crap on one player from the other team. It is very inmature to have that in HS Basketball. When they played my school, I heard from the stands how bad the Lovell players were talking crap to our players on the court. That Finkle kid or watever was the worst, he was sooo disrespectful to our players. Even the nicest kid on the team tried being nice to him and he just was an A-hole. But the whole team needs to learn some respect.

Posted by: been there and got it done! on February 4, 2008 10:34PM EST After reading the comments about what is happening in Lovell, I just want to say to the players and parents--stick together in order to get things changed. I can speak from the experience we had here in the little town of Yoder (Southeast). Not only once but twice. The removal of head boys coach Glenn Freeburg and head girls coach Tim Eisenbarth. For several years there were numerous complaints from parents and players. Yes it fell on deaf ears until the time came for the 1st day of practice for the boys----not a single one showed up. To make a long story short---they all stuck together with the support of their parents and other community members. Years later it happened again with the head girls coach Tim Eisenbarth. Players and parents got sick and tired of all the bs. Again they stuck together and were able to get things set in motion. Both of these men are very guilty of playing head games and breaking spirits on a constant basis--along with the use of harsh language. Parents forced the issue until ultimately a resigination was submitted. Lovell, it can be done. Now is the time. Don't wait because some of you will change your mind and think that next year will be different. Believe me--many SE parents thought the same thing---yet it never did change. Hang in there boys and continue to play well for yourselves and not for the man who calls himself "coach". It is never too late. Coaches like this do need to be held accountable. There is no excuse for the bad behavior. We all know that this type of behavior would not be tolerated in the work force but yet it's okay at the high school level?? Prinicpals, AD's, and school board members, it's time for you to step up and take some responsibility. Good luck to the Lovell players and parents. IT CAN BE DONE!

Posted by: gtown on February 5, 2008 12:03AM EST Bad sportsmanship and trash talking to other teams doesnt just happen in Lovell. I can almost gaurentee that every team in the state talks crap to another team at some point and alot of the time it is every game. The other incidents with the coach is another story but there are few teams out there that can say they dont talk trash...

Posted by: adidasb_ball31 on February 5, 2008 1:32AM EST It amazes me to read all this about the lovell boys program then watch them play. The two big's that got T's in the lyman game wow you must of learned that from the coach. So you cant dunk when you get fouled it still went in and you got a foul shot. just shut up and play ball. i guess you did not learn that from your coach, just a word of advice it does not help to stare people down just cause you are bigger or taller. those two refs didnt like it and neither will the other ones you will see the rest of the year. now on to the coaches situation they all cuss i dont care who they are they still do it. does it make it right no. but it happens. let me throw out some names: bobby knight, rick majerus, jeff kidder just to name a few, who wants to play for them? they never hurt for filling a roster and just a little foul language that is nothing to them how about a chair or ball rack being thrown at you while you are being told that you are worthless that helps build the self esteem. so if you dont want to play for a coach that is like that then dont but dont get mad when he still fills out the roster and i bet some people will play hard for him. hey he might even become the coach with the most wins. i understand that is college and this is high school but basketball is still basketball.

Posted by: bobcat fan on February 5, 2008 10:34AM EST Back to the one lone unbeaten in the state, Wind River boys....WOW! i had the pleasure of seeing them last Friday here in Thermop. What a team, great shooters, very quick and worth the time to see. I'm not sure they will stay unbeaten...if they have a cold shooting night i think they are beatable because they don't run much of a set offence to score from if they have to go to it. that may be thier demise in the big dance.

Posted by: Yoder Alum on February 5, 2008 2:11PM EST It is amazing to me how arrogant and blind some of the parents in Yoder are. You people have run off more coaches than any school I know of, and I hear you are after another one, your VB coach. Who is going to coach your kids? Do you not think that after a while the coaches are gonna get fed up with the constant attacks they are under? What it is gonna end up being is people being assigned to coach a sport. Won't that be wonderful. How about some of you ever so smart parents step up to the plate and see what it is like on the other end of the deal. Bet you wouldn't be so quick to judge the likes of Eisenbarth and other coaches. That's just the thing, non of you have the courage to step up to the plate and do it, you just want to watch from a far and then criticize when you don't think things are going well, which we all know in Yoder is measured by wins and loses. I feel sorry for any coach in Yoder. They are never good enough for you people. I am surprised you are not after your football coach after winning 5 state championships in 9 years because he didn't win all 9. How about your boys basketball coach. Is he next? How about you just draw a parents name out of the hat each night and they can be the coach for that night, since you are all very obviously so knowledgeable. What a joke some of you are. Now, on the flip side, there are some very good and loyal fans in Yoder, but a few of you bad apples ruin it for everyone else.

Posted by: sandman on February 5, 2008 6:30PM EST Bobcatfan, I agree except for the fact that they have only showed everyone how they can win. Rest assured they have a set offense. They just never had to use it yet. I think experience at state is their weekness. I hope they go all the way. I am not even from there. As for the Lovell coaching problem. Be careful what you guys wish for you might just get it.

Posted by: wyofloater on February 5, 2008 7:29PM EST NEWSFLASH: Bob Knight was accused of using harsh language and immediately submitted his resignation! (trying to lighten things up here a bit ;)

Posted by: adidasb_ball31 on February 5, 2008 11:17PM EST you think bob knight using harsh language was a newsflash. wow news must travel fast here in wyoming then!

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 6, 2008 7:59PM EST Still no response from birddog.....why does that not surprise me? Hey, I wanted to make one more comment about the situation in Lovell, and once again let me start by saying I'm not condoning the coaches actions if the accusations are true. I want to direct my comments to the players that are still part of that great team. Don't let a negative attitude ruin your opportunity to win a state championship. These opportunities don't come around in your life very often and there is nothing like it. I had the good fortune of being part of a state title team as a player and another one as a coach. My advice to you is don't let anything take it away from you. If the accusations about the coach are true you have to overcome the adversity and come together as a team. I'm sure you've all seen the movie Miracle. They all hated their coach, Herb Brooks (by design I might add), but rather than let that destroy them they grew closer together as a team. I had basketball coach in high school that I hated. He was old school and almost drove me to quit as a second year starter my senior year. He was as hard as they come....much worse than what you kids have to go through now....even physical at times. I wanted him gone but I wasn't going to let him beat me. He did get fired the year I graduated. I look back on it now with a totally different perspective. I learned more from playing for that man than any coach I ever had, including my football coach that I loved. He taught me more about life than any teacher or coach that I ever had. I just didn't realize it at the time. When I was coaching I would catch things coming out of my mouth that he used to teach us and I didn't even realize I had learned them. Looking back now I realize I love this guy for the lessons he taught me about life and I only wish I knew where he was so I could tell him. I was fortunate enough to be part of some championships as a coach, a friend of mine now coaches football at Logan High in Utah and has won 3 state titles, and this mans son coaches basketball in Idaho and has won several state titles. The man taught us the attitude it takes to win. Get through this situation with the coach and don't take advice from those outside your team. Most are jelous and just trying to drive a wedge. I honestly believe there are lessons about life to be learned here.

Posted by: lovell native on February 7, 2008 10:49AM EST I got wind of the blog and decided to take a look. First of all, I am totally embarassed by the comments, on all sides. I have lived in lovell all of my life and what it boils down to is same crap different day! It is typical of our town to air their dirty laundry this way. To the person that suggested they have a sit down meeting, bravo! However that would mean they would have to confrot all parties involved: AD, superintendant, palyers and coaches. It's much easier to do it this way!! We do have a local newspaper that publishes letters to the editor, however they must sign the letter in order for it to be put in the paper...again, not going to happen. The coach does need to respect his team and in return they need to respect him. I hope no one musunderstands this, I am not saying what the coach has done or how he treats the boys is right, it is not. But I do believe that this blog is not the right way to handle the situation. We as parents need to step up to the plate and grow up, be a parent, stop stewing the pot, and make our kids a little more respectful, on and off the court! Oh, and one last thing, the Cody game was bad, the boys played terribly, Cody stepped up to the plate! But your fans were very rude!

Posted by: Broncos on February 10, 2008 10:59PM EST Hey Mike did you have to walk through 3 feet of snow and up hill both ways to get to practice. Dork

Posted by: ex-lovellite on February 10, 2008 11:10PM EST ok look. this is ridiculous. i think everything has been overly gossiped. but what else is new? what else do you expect from that town? nothing will be figured out. people need to quit adding fuel to fire and let it stay between the players and the coach. and if it really is an issue, have the players talk to the coach. if that doesn't work, go to the administration. and make them figure it out. honestly people, hug it out!

Posted by: Current Lovellite on February 11, 2008 9:41AM EST To the disbelievers: This forum was started because going directly to the administration did not work. Several of you said that this was not the way to go about it. WRONG! The only way anyone in Lovell would do anything is if they had to answer to someone OUTSIDE of Lovell. Well guess what? They must have gotten embarrassed by all this. The Coach has been put on probation and has apologized to the kids. The kids are in a much better mood and it is reflecting in their games. This weekend they were actually smiling while playing and are back to winning games by 20 points or more. Good job to those that posted here. You made a difference!

Posted by: ladiesman815 on February 11, 2008 4:45PM EST URL: http://my.trib.com/post/patrickschmiedt/blog/one_is_the_loneliest_number.html#comments Ok- Bulldog dad, you get your feelings hurt by some one who cuses? and you think its bad for kids and winning games. two words for you- BOBBY KNIGHT. If you don't know he is the winningest college coach of all time, and he does a little cussing the last time i checked. no one will play for him because people like you would go get your feelings hurt. so tough people that aren't that good get thrown with him every year and he always manages to win. your coach had you undeafeted and you got butt hurt and caused distraction to your whole season. Oh little jonny isn't gettin his minutes? cry me a river its about winning. Bulldog fan 4 life? i think is who is was said this. i have a question? do you know anything. the schedules are done in advance as well as the class arrangements, so thats not the issue. you have played 2a's top three. o well Kobe and Lebron better look out! look your competition is tough. ok. have you played buffalo, wheatland, or even lander yet. When you play them and win come talk. i was at the buffalo and wheatland game. by far the best two teams in the state, a fought out physical game that the west is too scared to play. And to HS Fan. wheatland has lost three games all year not three in a row, so ouch back at you. do you just throw stuff out there or do you not know how to read. 3a east showed clearly they have no respect for other teams and no discipline to teams or other players. When the team wins the players are great, when the kids lose the coaches are a-hole's cuz if jonny and timmy would have played they would have won. or if little billy got more shots we would have won. the coach sat them down and kept (attempted) them from getting big heads and acting like they couldn't be the best. keeping them firey and wanting to play. as a former player i know you can build up and think you cant get beat and quit demanding perfection. when a coach challenges you by criticism or anything else, you become a man and rise up and prove yourself or fold up like the kids who quit because they are all about themselves.

Posted by: wyofloater on February 11, 2008 5:50PM EST Current Lovellite: glad to hear that things seem to be improving but I have mixed feelings about your win over Jackson being part of the healing process ;)

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on February 11, 2008 10:38PM EST ladiesman - I stand corrected. I meant two in a row. THat was really the only understandable statement in your blog entry. I couldn't tell if you were bashing the 3A east teams or the west. You stated that the East team have no respect and their coaches are a-holes???? , and prior to that you praised Buffalo and Wheatland teams. I have watch every coach in the east this season, and I can't say that I would agree with you at all. Some are better than others as far as being classy, but as a whole group they are top notch!!! . Good luck to all teams as we head down the stretch!!!

Posted by: jack lemmon on February 13, 2008 10:49AM EST The problem in lovell that i have seen over the past ten or so years, is that the parents don't know when or how to shutup. I mean for goodness sakes, you guys are winning, in the top five of the 3A and you still moan and groan about how bad the coach is. Beings that there are parents of "3" that quit posting stuff on this blog i am guessing that these three kids quit, because they thought they deserved playing time just because they are seniors, and didnt feel they had to earn it. an to whoever the genius said that everyone was going to quit..don't flatter yourself just because your kid did. I know for a fact for most of the players on the hoop squad in lovell, wouldnt quit even if he was the worse coach in the world because they wanna play the game. So what i am really trying to say here is this is just another case of the parents needing to shutup and let the kids play. Or go get your coaching certificates because you know so much about all of the crap you have to go through as a head coach, and apply for the job when it opens.

Posted by: ladiesman815 on February 13, 2008 2:32PM EST URL: http://my.trib.com/post/patrickschmiedt/blog/one_is_the_loneliest_number.html#comments HS Sports fan. I was refering to the person logged on as 3A east as his blog name when he said the lovel kids were disrespectful. i agree with you about all the east teams and coaches 100%. i just wanted to clear that up. Jack Lemmon knows his stuff. so i think he should run this blog.

Posted by: Revived SE girls fan on February 13, 2008 7:11PM EST To current lovellite, glad to hear that things are "changing". To all the people that said parents need to shut up and stay out of it---totally disagree. If the parents at SE would have kept quiet and just let the girls/boys play the game---they wouldn't have been successful in these last 3 years (mainly the girls) like they have been. A great coach makes all the difference in the world. To Yoder Alum, why would you say the Yoder parents are blind? Maybe it's people like you who are blind. You need to step back and look at the whole picture and realize that some people just aren't coaching material.

Posted by: Mike Walk on February 13, 2008 7:58PM EST Revived SE girls fan, You think that parents always voicing their opinion is good for high school sports. I believe it is what's wrong with high school sports. It's the reason people are getting out of the coaching proffession. Yes it's good for parents to be involved and play a roll as long as they are supportive. These coaches dedicate hours and hours of their lives and because Joe Bloe was all-state in 1978 he knows everything about the game. The game has changed. I'm sorry, but you know-it-all parents don't know squat. All you are doing when you cause problems like this is causing turmoil inside the team and costing your children their opportunity at success. We all wonder why kids today have no respect for adults or authority....take a look at the comments above. All you are doing is depriving your children of the opportunity to learn some valuable life lessons. Most of these guys get into coaching because they've had a taste of winning somewhere in their athletic careers and they want kids to have that same opportunity. Most of them have a lot they could teach your children if you just cut the apron strings. By the way bronco....I notice you pop off like that above but I don't see your name signed after it. Why doesn't that surprise me.

Posted by: Lovell on February 14, 2008 2:00PM EST How about those bulldogs? the lovell Bulldogs (best bulldog in the state) that is! Jeez people need to quit telling there selves all this! These boys dont make up who they have to play during there season. if they were to play any of those teams you metioned ladiesman it would be a hard fought physical game. you havent watched lovell play yet and i hope you get to see this amazing team. Those boys who quit i know and they were good enough to play on this team maybe not start but yes play they all were good outside shooter and could handle the ball. Im going to come out and say it, Lovell Wyoming is all politics this coach came in the community told him who the kids were who should play and he fallowed it.

Posted by: HS Fan on February 15, 2008 1:01AM EST Hey I see those mighty Bulldogs beat another 2A school. While the other Bulldogs went into OT with the Bearcats from Douglas. Hmmmmm - who is a better opponent? It is certainly a good thing that we aren't using power rankings in basketball. Lovell would struggle to crack the top 5.

Posted by: bobcat fan on February 15, 2008 10:44AM EST this blog was started by looking at the Coug's of Wind River who is STILL unbeaten. I have NEVER rooted for Lovel in my life and i am freinds with the Minchow clan, but with all of the talk above i really hope they WALK through all of the 3A most especialy WHeatland and Douglas!!!!

Posted by: Not a Wheatland Fan or a Lovell Fan on February 15, 2008 1:32PM EST bobcat fan, I agree with you. Lovell Boys are gonna stomp Buffalo & Wheatland & when they do, I am coming back to this page to mouth all the disbelievers. 2A, 3A, whatever! This group of boys played in Denver and beat numerous 5A teams down there! .... They lost to Cody only because they had a bad night & Cody had a good one. Watch when they play Cody again. Buffalo & Wheatland are not worried about beating this team, but they should be shaking in their sneakers. I am just glad they are out of 2A, so some of us have a chance. Show em all bulldogs and we will all root for you guys this year!

Posted by: Fan of the REAL Bulldogs! on February 15, 2008 1:37PM EST HS FAN Please wear a sign at regionals and state to identify who you are. Wait, you dont have to do that. We will be able to figure out who you are. You will be the one with egg all over your face! If you really believe the @#$%^%$# you are saying, you are really gonna be ticked at Regionals and State. Hope you have your tums ready, you are gonna need em!

Posted by: Concerned Law Enforcement Officer on February 15, 2008 1:45PM EST HS Fan, man, u r still in that dream land of yours. Your fantasies are starting to cloud your reality. Get off the drugs and be an example for the kids!

Posted by: Bulldog Fan on February 15, 2008 1:57PM EST HS Fan, You sure do talk about the Lovell boys alot. If they suck so bad and are not up to the 3A level, why are you so concerned?

Posted by: jack lemmon on February 15, 2008 2:45PM EST you guys are crazy, i am a coach, and i know several other coaches across the state, and i know for a fact that at the coaches/parent meeting they say they wont discuss playing time. Coaches get paid to coach, not to be everybodies friend. The coach in lovell must be doing something right they are 16-1. Now i know that everyone will say its all talent, but u cant tell me coaching doesnt have something to do with it. and for the comments on how they will stomp buffalo...please...i watched lovell hardly beat powell, and got crushed by cody. They get on each other to much, and have no idea of a team concept. It would be nice if kids would play for the front of the jersey instead of the back

Posted by: tony lallatin on February 15, 2008 3:25PM EST wow what a site, is all this really about lovell basketball, i watched them play at lyman a few weeks ago and was not too impressed. the big guys are too worried about what the refs dont see and call and not about playing basketball. it seems to me that you cant really help your team when you are sitting on the bench watching because you foul way too much and then run your mouth at the refs or the other team. but to the people who think lovell will run through the 3A wow. they played lyman tough and lyman is what tied for last in the conference. good job. good luck with all the games to come. and yes you need to give some credit to the coach with their success. but i think that the shiffler girl would take any of those boys one on one she is a stud.

Posted by: Former Wheatland Fan on February 15, 2008 3:51PM EST Tony & Jack...join HS Fan at regionals...you guys sit together & WATCH! This is going to be GREAT!

Posted by: bobcat fan on February 15, 2008 6:54PM EST Tony, you are right about Kristen, she is a STUD! She and her sister and two brothers could beat most teams in the state BY THEMSEVES!

Posted by: LOVELL on February 16, 2008 12:45AM EST Wheatland fan i cant wait for state because i will see you there while lovell is playing in the ship ill make sure to wear my sign! haha How about kristen going off for 35 Points tonight? WOW a few of these boys from lovell had her on there 3 on 3 and 5 on 5 teams and ya she can play with them! and for th struggle against lyman they played the night before and it was along road game so keep dreamin because they have only lost 1 game remeber. GO LOVELL

Posted by: HS Sports Fan on February 16, 2008 5:34PM EST Hey Lovell - what will your sign be? I want to walk by and laugh at you!! . Remember, on any given day!!!!

Posted by: Wheatland Sucks on February 16, 2008 10:52PM EST HS Sports Fan ON ANY GIVEN DAY!

Posted by: lovell native on February 16, 2008 11:29PM EST To all of you on this blog...GROW UP!!! We wonder why our children and students behave the way they do! Maybe you should all run for office, or go back to the playground! Basketball is a game that the kids should enjoy, so let them. Let's keep our mouths shut and encourage the kids, whatever town you live in or choose to yell for. All the kids from 1A to 4A have worked hard all year and deserve positive comments from the adults, not for some to act like 2nd graders. Good luck to all the teams in the post season.

Posted by: HS Sportsfan on March 2, 2008 3:56AM EST Fan of the REAL Bulldogs -Bulldog Fan - Concerned Law Enforcement Officer . What happened to the Bulldogs from Lovell? What happened in the 3A West. Let me tell you that the 3A east finished up pretty much how the tournament was seeded. We could have the top 4 teams all come from the EAST this year. . Oh, will you all be making the trip to Casper next week, or do you have too much egg on your face!